Hyde Name Origins.

The name "HYDE" is derived from the hide, a measure of land for taxation purposes, taken to be that area of land necessary to support a peasant family. In later times it was taken to be equivalent to 120 acres .
March 2014
BLOG still being updated, please keep commenting as it all goes to making a good read and helps to build an archive.


Thursday, 19 April 2012

Goodier House, Victoria Street

Photobucket

Mr Jimmy Taylor and his wife in the 1940s at the front door of Goodier House, Victoria Street. 

Thanks to Barry Lewis for this fine photo !

Goodier House stood where Goodier House Fold now stands.
I have no information as yet as to when the house was demolished.

Photobucket
We believe Goodier House fold is approximately where 'A' is marked on the map but are unsure.
Up-date from Barry In OZ


Attached are three photo's, the first is a family photo of Jimmy Taylor (the old bloke in the photo at the front door) as a lad in 1918.

Photobucket

Second is the ww2 Ration card of Nell Taylors husband Harry Surch who resided at Goodier House (see address on card).

Photobucket

Third is a very poor photo, probably the only known photo of Goodier house.  If you remember a lady wanted to get to me through your site as she was researching Goodier house.  She sent me this photo but I have lost her email address.

Photobucket

The Chief Constable Danby did live in the house and there are records somewhere of his son living at that address when he signed up for the Army in WW1.

Thank you once again Barry.


Up dated 23/04/12

Jeff Stafford sent in this great bit of information about Goodier House, Jeff writes.. "I stated that it may have been built around 1868 by T.J.Pollock, I was wrong. I have since come across a much earlier reference for Goodier House. The tenant was non other than Daniel Adamson, the founder of Adamson's Boilers in Newton Hurst and Dukinfield. I therefore went through the census and sure enough living at 110 Back Lane was Daniel Adamson, his wife, Mary E. Adamson, his two daughters Alice and Lavinia, and a couple of house servants. Although Goodier House is not mentioned by name, we can be sure that 110 Back Lane was Goodier House. T.J.Pollock, Engineer, who I thought had built Goodier House, probably took over the tenancy when the Adamson family moved to Newton House , 74 Muslim Street, he may have even been brought down from Scotland by Adamson to manage his factory at Newton Hurst."
Jeff Stafford

Up dated 24/04/12


Pictures and information from Barry Lewis

Photobucket


The first is Jimmy and Elizabeths daughter Nell, with husband Harry and children Arlene & Mike in Hong Kong where Harry served with the RAF.

Photobucket

The second is two of Jimmies daughters, Joyce and Nell with my Mum Nell, children Arlene, Mike, myself and sister Merilyn at Belle View in the 50s.  All Newton folk.

Photobucket


The third is a photo of myself with my three New Zealand Grandaughters who are the great, great, Grandchildren of Jimmy and Elizabeth.  The young kid Mike in the top two photo's is the other Grandfather of these children. 

Photobucket


Methodist Church that stood on Talbot Road opposite the Liberal club (since demolished).

Photobucket

The fourth photo is the rear room of that Church which was used as an overflow classroom for St Mary's school.  This was my classroom before I left St Mary's.

Barry Lewis

28 comments:

Dave Williams said...

There's a row of bungalows facing Victoria Street just before Ashley Street and at both ends of the row are street signs saying 'Goodier House Fold'. I'll send you photos.

Anonymous said...

I think that this couple may be the father and mother of Frank and Albert Taylor. Frank lives on Woodfield Avenue, Gee Cross. He's got several brothers and sisters.

Tom said...

Any information would be appreciated on this lost building. More pictures would be great.

Dave Williams said...

I had a look in The History of Hyde but can't find any mention of Goodier House although there is an account of the murder in 1812 of a Samuel Goodier 'a member of the well-to-do family of Goodier, who owned land in Newton', who presumably lived at, or was connected with the house. (Page 555 if you want to have a look at it, Tom).

The Kelly's Directories of 1902 and particularly 1914 are interesting though. The 1902 edition shows a Thomas Pollock at Goodier House and a Henry Goodier Turner at 'The Goodiers'. The 1914 edition still shows Henry Goodier Turner at 'The Goodiers' but a John William Danby at Goodier House, and surely this must be the John William Danby who was the first Chief Constable of Hyde and who died in 1931.

Anonymous said...

Barry in Oz here. Anonymous, The Taylors shown in the photo were not to my knowledge the parents of those persons you mentioned. They were the parents of Nell and Joyce Taylor and they moved from Goodier house to 177 Talbot Rd, Newton in 1947.

I was born at this house in December 1946. They are the Great, great Grandparents of three of my Grand daughters in New Zealand.

Hydonian said...

Fabulous additions!
Thanks very much, Barry ! :)

Jeffrey Stafford said...

Goodier House was not built until the 1880's, probably by Thomas J. Pollock, who had come down from Scotland. He first lived at Victoria House ( a wooden structure) on Victoria Street. He remained in the house with his son, Gilbert, and an household servant until the early 1900's. The house was then used by those who retired from Hyde Police.

Tom said...

Great information there Jeff... thank you.

Anonymous said...

Barry in Oz. Oops, the photo of Jimmy Taylor in the Scout uniform was taken in 1908, not 1918.

Marjorie said...

My father was in the Home Guard during the war and the Goodiers was their headquarters.

Anonymous said...

Barry in Oz. From what I can gather, there is some opinion that believes 'The Goodiers' was a different house in Hyde to 'Goodier House', I can find no evidence of this. As you can see from the Ration card I posted, Harry Surch, the Son in Law of Jimmy Taylor resided at Goodier House during WW2 so I can only assume that the Taylors also resided there. I wonder if there is a seperate house called 'The Goodiers'?

Jeffrey Stafford said...

The Goodiers was an area of land on the left hand side of Back Lane (Victoria Street), it had nothing whatsoever to do with Goodier House. It is very hard to locate it these days, but I would place it in the area where Charlton Avenue or Mallory Road are today

Anonymous said...

Barry in Oz, Fantastic info Jeffrey, you certainly have a deal of knowledge on this area. I am extremely interested in what you have. I also know of a lady, related to the Goodier family, who would be most interested. Tom, would you have the info on the lady as I have lost her email address.

Jeffrey Stafford said...

John William Danby and his family moved into Goodier House 1909/1910. They had previously lived in the house attached to the police station in Beeley Street. A small number of other police officers also occupied rooms in Goodier House for a short time. But this may be due to the fact that the building the new police station on Corporation Street started somewhere around this time. This was opened in 1913. Danby's son, John W., was in the Manchester Regiment, and he did indeed give Goodier House as his home address when he joined in 1915.

Eric Taylor said...

Hi, My name is Eric Taylor, and I am collecting photos of Newton, Hyde for display in my business premises (the old garages inside the gates of Newton Business Park) at the Old ICI works at the top of Talbot Road (Opposite the Bay Horse Pub)

I came across your pages and more specifically the ones showing photos of Jimmy Taylor and his wife, and Goodier House on Victoria Street. Jimmy Taylor had several sons and daughters ( 'Nell' (Helen), Harold, Marion, Raymond and Joyce) and his wife was called Elizabeth Taylor (nee Bowker), After living at Goodier House as a family they moved to the Old Buck Inn building on Talbot Road (recently refurbished as flats).

I know this as my dad was Raymond, and Jimmy was my Grandfather.

If you have any more images or want to know more about Jimmy and his family please do get in touch, I would be pleased to speak with you.

Kindest regards

Eric Taylor

0161 351 0161.

Anonymous said...

Barry in Oz, Hi Eric, I couldn't remember the names of the other Brothers and sisters (Old age)Lol. I was in touch with your Dad prior to his passing. I will let Arlene know about this thread.

Jeffrey Stafford said...

I don't know if Barry in Oz is interested but Thomas Turner held the tenacy of the Goodiers from around 1844. He had married Betty Goodier in 1842, for a short time they resided at Victoria cottage, Victoria Street. This was when the bottom section of Victoria Street from the Duke of Sussex to Stawberry Hill was known as Dark Lane. Thomas and Betty had two children, Sarah Jane 1846 and Henry Goodier 1851. After Thomas's death, Henry Goodier Turner took over the tenancy until aleast the First World War.Hope this info will suffice.

Anonymous said...

Barry in Oz. Many thanks Jeffrey, very interesting. You certainly have a mountain of information on this subject.

Anonymous said...

Barry in Oz. Wow, what a goldmine of information this has been, 19 comments stacked with local history, information that had never been aired before. I was even fortunate enough to find a kind person to supply me with a treasure trove that was the Family Tree of the Taylor family dating back to 1777. Marvellous eh ? All from one photograph of two old folk standing in a doorway. What a great website this is.

Anonymous said...

My mother used to live at Goodier house and was married from there in 1953 her name was Gladys Garlick (nee Taylor) sister of Frank and Albert and cousin of Raymond. I would love Eric to get back in touch with me as he did some phots for me before mum died. My name is Elaine and I worked at Hyde Tech school on old road. my email is hunters54@hotmail.com

Eric said...

Barry - do you (or anyone else) have the original picture of (my) Grandad Jimmy and Grandma Eliza standing outside Goodier House?

Members of the family would like me to produce copies. but the download from here is poor quality.

Eric said...

Elaine - you must pop up and see me at our offices opposite the Bay Horse (just inside Newton Business Parks Gate). Then we can catch up with lots of things!

Geoff Royle said...

The old photograph of Goodier House really got my attention. I think that the house might have been a lot older than considered here. I have spent a few years trawling the records for my ancestors and recently came across a house of very similar proportions in Ardsley, West Yorkshire which was built about 1500 ! At the risk of going ‘off topic’ here are some details : Topcliffe Hall was the seat of Sir John Topcliffe, a courtier of Henry VIII. For provenance and an image of the house use Google to find Topcliffe Hall on the Leodis, Leeds website.
I have a passing interest in Goodier House as my g.grandmother was a neice of Daniel Adamson, boilermaker. In the 1860s she lived at Rose Mount, which was a cottage on the site of the first Newton Moor Ironworks near the junction of Talbot Road and Ashton Road. The cottage can be seen on a map of 1882, but now alas lost in the mists of time.
So, what about the age of Goodier house ? Can anyone be sure ?

lucy75 said...

I am the lady that Barry refers to as being related to the Goodiers.
As far as I understand it as Jeffery said there were 3 Houses- Goodier House, The Goodiers ( which is where my family lived and I have many documents to support this) and a farm called Goodier Fold.

Lucy

Lila said...

@lucy75 - we have a friend who lived at The Goodiers from 1947 with her family (the Griffiths family), who would be very interested in any documents/pictures you might have of the house - and could share some of her own. If you would be willing to contact us, you can get in touch via email - lagh201@exeter.ac.uk

Anonymous said...

[quote][Image] Mr Jimmy Taylor and his wife in the 1940s at the front door of Goodier House, Victoria Street.  Thanks to Barry Lewis for this fine photo ! Goodier House stood where Goodier House Fold now stands. I have no information as yet as to when the house was demolished. [Image] We believe Goodier House fold is approximately where 'A' is marked on the map but are unsure. Up-date from Barry In OZ Attached are three photo's, the first is a family photo of Jimmy Taylor (the old bloke in the photo at the front door) as a lad in 1918. [Image] Second is the ww2 Ration card of Nell Taylors husband Harry Surch who resided at Goodier House (see address on card). [Image] Third is a very poor photo, probably the only known photo of Goodier house.  If you remember a lady wanted to get to me through your site as she was researching Goodier house.  She sent me this photo but I have lost her email address. [Image] The Chief Constable Danby did live in the house and there are records somewhere of his son living at that address when he signed up for the Army in WW1. Thank you once again Barry. Up dated 23/04/12 Jeff Stafford sent in this great bit of information about Goodier House, Jeff writes.. "I stated that it may have been built around 1868 by T.J.Pollock, I was wrong. I have since come across a much earlier reference for Goodier House. The tenant was non other than Daniel Adamson, the founder of Adamson's Boilers in Newton Hurst and Dukinfield. I therefore went through the census and sure enough living at 110 Back Lane was Daniel Adamson, his wife, Mary E. Adamson, his two daughters Alice and Lavinia, and a couple of house servants. Although Goodier House is not mentioned by name, we can be sure that 110 Back Lane was Goodier House. T.J.Pollock, Engineer, who I thought had built Goodier House, probably took over the tenancy when the Adamson family moved to Newton House , 74 Muslim Street, he may have even been brought down from Scotland by Adamson to manage his factory at Newton Hurst."Jeff Stafford Up dated 24/04/12 Pictures and information from Barry Lewis [Image] The first is Jimmy and Elizabeths daughter Nell, with husband Harry and children Arlene & Mike in Hong Kong where Harry served with the RAF. [Image] The second is two of Jimmies daughters, Joyce and Nell with my Mum Nell, children Arlene, Mike, myself and sister Merilyn at Belle View in the 50s.  All Newton folk. [Image] The third is a photo of myself with my three New Zealand Grandaughters who are the great, great, Grandchildren of Jimmy and Elizabeth.  The young kid Mike in the top two photo's is the other Grandfather of these children.  [Image] Methodist Church that stood on Talbot Road opposite the Liberal club (since demolished). [Image] The fourth photo is the rear room of that Church which was used as an overflow classroom for St Mary's school.  This was my classroom before I left St Mary's. Barry Lewis[/quote]

[color=#00ff80]Many thanks, this helps me lots. This is exactly the type of [url=http://workandplayonline.wordpress.com/]guidance[/url] that makes this amazing site so awesome.[/color]

lucy75 said...

I have carried out a lot of research into the Goodier and Turner Families. There were three properties bearing the Goodier name- Goodier House, Goodier Fold and The Goodiers- See censuses returns. The Goodiers was owned by the Goodier Family and they were not tennants as one post suggests.

The Goodiers was owned by Thomas Goodier born 1730-( I am not sure if he or one of the many Thomas Goodier's before him built the house) and he left it to his son George Goodier ( 1769-1838) who left it to his neice Mally ( alias Mary) Goodier on his death in 1838. Mally Goodier ( 1796-1851) left it to her sister Betty Turner ( nee Goodier) ( my great, great, great grandmother) on her death in 1851- hence the Turner family living there. On the death of Thomas Turner in 1878 it then passed to Aldermann Henry Goodier Turner ( 1851-1923) who was the only surviving son of Thomas Turner and Betty Goodier who upon his death in 1923 left the house to his neice Pheobe White and I am led to believe that sometime after 1923 it was purchased under a compulsory purchase order by the council for road widening purposes.

I am not sure about how Goodier House got its name but according to Betty Goodiers obituary from the North Cheshire Herald she was actually born there in 1810 " in the house now occupied by Mr Pollack" and when I checked the 1881 census Betty Turner ( nee Goodier) died in 1888 Mr Pollack was living in the house. As for Goodier Fold I have no further information but as the Goodiers were farmers/ tanners I presume it was one of the farms they rented out.
If anyone would like a copy of the census returns then please let me know on lucy.clegg@gmx.at

jenny roberts said...

The Goodiers stood exactly where the Sycamores old peoples home juts out onto Victoris Street. See this site, type in Hyde and click on the map where you want to look at. The list on the right gives you various maps from different years.http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html