Hyde Name Origins.

The name "HYDE" is derived from the hide, a measure of land for taxation purposes, taken to be that area of land necessary to support a peasant family. In later times it was taken to be equivalent to 120 acres .
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Tuesday, 24 May 2011

Lost Shops in Hyde

I have had a couple of old photographs for a few years showing some old shops supposedly in Hyde, but I have been unable to locate them precisely.
The first one shows an old fish & chip shop with the name "Barker's" in the window and faintly Victoria St on the back in pencil. The second is a confectioner's shop with 4 people outside, probably from around 1940's. There appears to be an entry of some kind on the right (2 bikes leaning on window) and a shop which looks like Smiths to the left. The shop itself is on the level, it's the photo that's been taken on the slant.


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Any help will be much appreciated
Paul

32 comments:

Denys Meakin said...

I think the confectioners shop is perhaps Bridges on Dowson Rd, left hand side coming from Market St, last building before the tip. Next door to it on the left was Smiths the grocers. We always used to get our weekly grocery order from there in the forties. Only thing is, the windows on the confectioners shop seem to come down lower than I remember - perhaps that was because I was so small then.
Denys

Tom said...

I've been trying to pin point the chip shop Paul... but alas I've drawn a blank ( will keep looking )
At first I thought about the row of buildings that were just up from Sawyer Brow.. most were pulled down in the 1980s.. Trouble is the windows were 'right' of the door.. and the upstairs windows were different... but the arch doorways are similar.. and there appears to be no door steps like the chippy... I'm sure that Victoria Street ( Back Lane it was first known as ) had such buildings on the right hand side of the road as you were going up away from Hyde. Both sides of Danby Road junction have now been built on again.. I will ask around about this as it as got my interest now.. ha!....
The bakers seems to have been recognised and I was recently told a story about a pies shop theft near by here... I will have to check that out as well...

Hydonian said...

Hi Everyone, my Mum thinks that the second photo of the bread shop was the one she worked at that was located on Mottram Road just past the Co-op and opposite the chippy (Pats Place).

Dave Williams said...

In the 1914 Kelly's Directory there's a Walter Barker, fried fish dealer, at 211 Market Street, but 211 is now Pizza Romero's and it's in the middle of a terraced row of shops, so unless there's been some re-numbering........or then again he could have moved to Victoria Street sometime after 1914. There are 2 fried fish dealers shown on Victoria street: John Bayley at number 118, and Joseph Powell at number 21.

Tom said...

Anonymous said... Thank you Dave... I must get these Kelly Directories.. they have come in handy once again.. seems we are getting nearer and nearer to the whereabouts of these shops for Paul.

Anonymous said...

It looks like the one that was on Victoria Street, at the end of a terrace row after the Duke of Sussex,
approximately on the corner of where Kemp Street is now. I can remember the side street being cobbled in the early 60's.
I think that it leads to some sort of sheltered accomodation now.
There was definitely a chippy on that corner, and if if the one in the photo isn't it, it's a dead ringer !!!

Regards,
Dave Hamilton.

Tom said...

Thank you Dave.. the Sheltered housing is Ashton House. We will get there with these if we all keep chipping away like this.

Dave Williams said...

If anonymous is right then that suggests the chippy was at number 21 Victoria Street, the one occupied by Joseph Powell in 1914.

Jean said...

Anonymous is spot on about the chippy it was more or less opposite Ehrenfried the butchers.

Tom said...

Hi Jean... thank you for commenting... and thank you for reminding me of the name of the Butchers... I'd been trying to think of the name since yesterday... ha!

Anonymous said...

Thanks Jean !, I've been in touch with my aunt who is 86, and she can clearly remember the chippy being on that corner !

Regards to all,
Dave Hamilton.

Tom said...

I had it confirmed today that the confectioners was called Barbers just as Denys Meakin said in the very first comment. My mate Jack retold me the story of when him and his twin brother Tom walked by the shop one day the door was open, no one was about and a cake 'just seemed to jump into my hands' said Jack... both brothers ran out the shop, across the road and turned down Higher Henry Street.... right into the arms of one of Hyde's finest... they were taken back to the shop, and made to give the cake back and say sorry... then they were marched back home to Haughton Street... they mother was none to pleased I was told... ha! Jack also recalls the chip shop on Victoria Street... and told me another story about the butcher called Ehrenfried. I will have to post about this at another date. I spoke to Paul last night and he is very pleased with the response.. thank you all concerned.

Hyde Lad said...

Thanks everyone for the input on this one, it seems to have solved the mystery of the 2 photographs.

Jean said...

Still on Victoria Street, does anybody else remember the garage opposite The Crown and Cushion on the other corner was a Bottle Yard?

Jean said...

There was also a florist that was called Dorothys.
This was just higher up than the garage.Slightly up still was a small engineering company ring any bells?

Tom said...

Hello again Jean...
I hope these memories of yours jog a few more from others... If you would like to write a few down concern Victoria Street... we could take pictures of how the street is now.... and make a post out of it.. you could send us stuff by email and e will try to work with it or add your memories to other posts. Thank you again for your time and great to see these comments from you.

Anonymous said...

Hello Jean,
I remember the garage, wasn't there a hardware shop on the opposite corner, or somewhere in that row ?.
Dorothy Edwards owned the florist shop opposite Sawyer Brow, before moving to a shop on Bennett Street, near the Ashton Road Junction.
I'm not sure of the name of the small engineering works,but I remember going there for bearings in the 80's

Dave Hamilton

Tom said...

Was the Engineers called Denton Engineering?

Anonymous said...

Thanks Tom, Denton Engineering have moved to premises on Talbot Road I think.

Dave Hamilton

Tom said...

Thanks Dave.. it was the bearings that bought the name back... I know I went from but can't think why or for whom. The shop is still going as you say on Talbot Road just down from the King Bill.

Jean said...

Hi anon,
Your right about the hardware shop, but as I remember it was next to the bottle yard and opposite it was a ladies hairdressers.

There was a farmhouse at the side of Newton Hurst that had a stone wall with a big archway gate entrance and stone columns that were painted white.This is now an old peoples home.

A little higher up was Cooks farm there was a wooden trestle set on the main road that held large galvanised milk churns.

Tom said...

I have really enjoyed reading your memories of how the road once looked.. I hope someone comes along and reads this and realise they have a picture or two of these... and if they do I hope they send them in.

Hyde Lad said...

Looks like this blog is going to run and run. This may help, from the 1934 Kelly's Directory, I have found the following:-

1 Duke of Sussex
7 Harry Flint Boot repairer
9 Sarah Clegg Shopkeeper
11 Theresa Crompton Shopkeeper
35 Thomas Fowler Shopkeeper
55 James Stanton Coal Dealer
157 Cordingley & Grundy Shopkeepers
312 Alan Roebuck Builder
276 Ellen Bonser Fried Fish dealer
92 Fred Beswick Shopkeeper
38 Frances Gibbons Shopkeeper
12 Johyn Ehrenfried Butcher
"The Hut" Alfred Bray Boot repairer.

Also from the 1960's
92 N Lancashire Greengrocer
38 J Holden Grocer
36 Newton Hardware

Hope this will sort a few things out.

Paul

Tom said...

What a great list Paul...
I've not had chance to get the Trade Directory's as yet... but I did download a copy of 'The Working Man' and I've been lost in that most of the weekend ..ha!..
Not many many postings get this many comments .. it shows what interest two photo's can bring.
If anyone as photo's hanging about in draws at home and no idea where they were taken send them in and lets see if we can find out.

Anonymous said...

The 1911 Census shows 9 Hyde Lane as a shop. Its occupants are a Walter Barker aged 29 and 'a relation' Mary Jane Grinrod aged 40. Their occupations given (rather grandly) as Chip Potato Restaurant and his Assistant !

Tom said...

Chip Potato Restaurant..... ha! I wonder what Walter would have made of the take aways on Hyde Lane now... ;O)

Anonymous said...

There isn't (nor never were) any take aways on Hyde Lane
Hyde Lane started near Swain St (Dowson Rd) /Market St lights going back towards Gee Cross/Ring'o Bells Pub. I got the 1897 map !!

Anonymous said...

...Except for their chip potato restaurant at No 9 !
How do you get a username for this blog , Tom ??

Tom said...

Anonymous
Usename... If you have your own website you could use the user name from there.. I always recommend a Google Mail Account.. I have used one personally for a while now and the blogs email account is a Google Mail Account. When you comment you can then choose Google from the top of the drop down list.
As for Hyde Lane..... I know what you say... but I have always known Market Street as Hyde Lane and rarely call it anything different. ;o) Hope to see a reply with a username soon.

Anonymous said...

This is a link to the Post Office directory of Cheshire 1878, it lists all businesses in the town at the time and even has the names of some of the people living there. Newton, Godley and Werneth are listed seperately.
On the same page there is also a link to the 1857 directory.

http://cheshiredirectories.manuscripteye.com/pdf/1878/02b/index.htm

Tom said...

Anon... thank you for the link.... will be very handy indeed...

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